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		<title>By: 2fs</title>
		<link>http://www.flasshe.com/2008/04/08/hergest-ridges/comment-page-1/#comment-5801</link>
		<dc:creator>2fs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 22:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t heard much of Oldfield&#039;s later stuff...but I agree that &lt;i&gt;Incantations&lt;/i&gt; may well be the best of his work that I&#039;ve heard.

As to the question of genre...well, that&#039;s rather vexed, since if anything the whole notion of genre is under question these days. Sure, Oldfield&#039;s pieces may not be structured like Western art music of the classical era (to use a clumsy locution that at least clarifies what I, at least, mean...), but then very little 20c and 21c orchestral and small-ensemble compositions are. (See what I mean about genre? It&#039;s hard even to name them any more...) 

Regardless, I think you&#039;re probably correct that Oldfield&#039;s recognized he&#039;s not going to be a pop star - and that long-form, relatively complex pieces are what he does best. He is enamored of melody (or was, at least), but then melody&#039;s made a bit of a comeback in the &quot;classical&quot; world anyway.

Hmm. Local ensemble Present Music might illustrate some of these points. I know Tim W.&#039;s a fan of Amy X. Neuberg...but here&#039;s someone who sings, plays keys and samples, and sorta does a Laurie Anderson-type thing...but who also is, increasingly, regarded as a &quot;serious&quot; composer...even though her recordings would probably go down pretty well with prog/avant crowds, and she most often works in &quot;song&quot; form, loosely speaking. So what genre is she working in? Who cares?

It&#039;s really not unusual these days for someone to, say, compose a fifteen-minute piece that takes inspiration from Turkish music, incorporates jazz saxophone solos, samples sports broadcasts, and requires hotshit rock&#039;n&#039;roll electric guitar soloing. So if Oldfield wants to be taken seriously as a composer, he&#039;s in the right place, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t heard much of Oldfield&#8217;s later stuff&#8230;but I agree that <i>Incantations</i> may well be the best of his work that I&#8217;ve heard.</p>
<p>As to the question of genre&#8230;well, that&#8217;s rather vexed, since if anything the whole notion of genre is under question these days. Sure, Oldfield&#8217;s pieces may not be structured like Western art music of the classical era (to use a clumsy locution that at least clarifies what I, at least, mean&#8230;), but then very little 20c and 21c orchestral and small-ensemble compositions are. (See what I mean about genre? It&#8217;s hard even to name them any more&#8230;) </p>
<p>Regardless, I think you&#8217;re probably correct that Oldfield&#8217;s recognized he&#8217;s not going to be a pop star &#8211; and that long-form, relatively complex pieces are what he does best. He is enamored of melody (or was, at least), but then melody&#8217;s made a bit of a comeback in the &#8220;classical&#8221; world anyway.</p>
<p>Hmm. Local ensemble Present Music might illustrate some of these points. I know Tim W.&#8217;s a fan of Amy X. Neuberg&#8230;but here&#8217;s someone who sings, plays keys and samples, and sorta does a Laurie Anderson-type thing&#8230;but who also is, increasingly, regarded as a &#8220;serious&#8221; composer&#8230;even though her recordings would probably go down pretty well with prog/avant crowds, and she most often works in &#8220;song&#8221; form, loosely speaking. So what genre is she working in? Who cares?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really not unusual these days for someone to, say, compose a fifteen-minute piece that takes inspiration from Turkish music, incorporates jazz saxophone solos, samples sports broadcasts, and requires hotshit rock&#8217;n'roll electric guitar soloing. So if Oldfield wants to be taken seriously as a composer, he&#8217;s in the right place, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got the Powderfinger &quot;Odyssey Number Five&quot; CD but somehow never got around to listening to it.  When the songs came up here and there during the alphabetical thing, the ones I noticed seemed pretty decent, with distinctive vocals.  &quot;The Metre&quot; and &quot;My Kind Of Scene&quot; spring to mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got the Powderfinger &#8220;Odyssey Number Five&#8221; CD but somehow never got around to listening to it.  When the songs came up here and there during the alphabetical thing, the ones I noticed seemed pretty decent, with distinctive vocals.  &#8220;The Metre&#8221; and &#8220;My Kind Of Scene&#8221; spring to mind.</p>
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		<title>By: DJSmallberries</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJSmallberries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flasshe, the first CD pressings of &quot;Incantations&quot; *did* cut out the beginning of Part 3 (they just sort of faded it in in the middle). That&#039;s how you can tell if it&#039;s one of those, because Part 3 doesn&#039;t fade in. This is when CDs were new, and they were being conservative on how much you could put on one and still get a decently low defect rate. Later on, when they made CDs bigger, they re-released it with the full material. So if you&#039;re buying a used one, watch out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flasshe, the first CD pressings of &#8220;Incantations&#8221; *did* cut out the beginning of Part 3 (they just sort of faded it in in the middle). That&#8217;s how you can tell if it&#8217;s one of those, because Part 3 doesn&#8217;t fade in. This is when CDs were new, and they were being conservative on how much you could put on one and still get a decently low defect rate. Later on, when they made CDs bigger, they re-released it with the full material. So if you&#8217;re buying a used one, watch out!</p>
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		<title>By: Flasshe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flasshe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have &lt;em&gt;Incantations&lt;/em&gt; on a single CD.  I forget if they had to cut anything out to make it fit.

Thanks for the RoF kudos.  Smallberries does know how to produce. I&#039;ve never heard of Bernard Fanning, though I have heard of Powderfinger.  If I were going to have an Australian singing on our songs, I&#039;d hire InfK (though he&#039;s not strictly an Australian yet).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have <em>Incantations</em> on a single CD.  I forget if they had to cut anything out to make it fit.</p>
<p>Thanks for the RoF kudos.  Smallberries does know how to produce. I&#8217;ve never heard of Bernard Fanning, though I have heard of Powderfinger.  If I were going to have an Australian singing on our songs, I&#8217;d hire InfK (though he&#8217;s not strictly an Australian yet).</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 05:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oddly, I don&#039;t have &quot;Crises&quot; or &quot;Incantations&quot; on CD.  I listened to the samples from &quot;Incantations&quot; on Amazon, and it sounds quite familiar.  Perhaps I had it on vinyl but never got around to it on CD?

By the way, another thing I found surprising during my &quot;alphabetical songs&quot; fest was how well the occasional Reign of Frogs songs sounded when they came up.  The production quality is right up there with the high-budget big-names songs they wound up mixed in with.  Needs a good vocalist, though.  Maybe if there&#039;s a Frogs reunion you could see if Bernard Fanning&#039;s not busy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oddly, I don&#8217;t have &#8220;Crises&#8221; or &#8220;Incantations&#8221; on CD.  I listened to the samples from &#8220;Incantations&#8221; on Amazon, and it sounds quite familiar.  Perhaps I had it on vinyl but never got around to it on CD?</p>
<p>By the way, another thing I found surprising during my &#8220;alphabetical songs&#8221; fest was how well the occasional Reign of Frogs songs sounded when they came up.  The production quality is right up there with the high-budget big-names songs they wound up mixed in with.  Needs a good vocalist, though.  Maybe if there&#8217;s a Frogs reunion you could see if Bernard Fanning&#8217;s not busy.</p>
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		<title>By: DJSmallberries</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJSmallberries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 02:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I admit it, I don&#039;t check my sources (i.e. Robin Denselow), but I still sort of agree with him. And I agree with Tim W. that the &quot;classical&quot; music form, past or present, is not what Oldfield does (of course, the same could be said for John Williams). But I do maintain that a lot of his music is, essentially, orchestral with electric guitars (with, admittedly, heavy prog rock roots).

My favorite album, which was probably Oldfield&#039;s worst seller, is &quot;Incantations&quot;. It&#039;s not very accessible music (hence the poor sales) but I think it&#039;s his best work. In one sense it is orchestral because most of the instruments played in it are in orchestras, but in another sense I think of it as orchestral because I can image it being orchestrated and played by real symphony orchestras. I was listening to it recently and in my mind&#039;s eye (or ear) I could imagine how it would sound as an orchestral piece, and I think it would remain true to the work, and still get played on the symphony orchestra circuit. Much more so than any of Oldfield&#039;s other work (including &quot;Music of the Spheres&quot;). 

The &quot;Orchestral Tubular Bells&quot; was awful, but the original &quot;Tubular Bells&quot; was full of gimmicks, so it didn&#039;t translate well. &quot;Incantations&quot; doesn&#039;t really have any of those, and is in a more &quot;classical&quot; form than any other Oldfield work. Hell, if symphonies will play Ive&#039;s music, &quot;Incantations&quot; ought to be a shoo-in. In my opinion, if you&#039;re willing to call &quot;Incantations&quot; a &quot;classical&quot; piece, it&#039;s the best classical piece written in the latter 20th century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I admit it, I don&#8217;t check my sources (i.e. Robin Denselow), but I still sort of agree with him. And I agree with Tim W. that the &#8220;classical&#8221; music form, past or present, is not what Oldfield does (of course, the same could be said for John Williams). But I do maintain that a lot of his music is, essentially, orchestral with electric guitars (with, admittedly, heavy prog rock roots).</p>
<p>My favorite album, which was probably Oldfield&#8217;s worst seller, is &#8220;Incantations&#8221;. It&#8217;s not very accessible music (hence the poor sales) but I think it&#8217;s his best work. In one sense it is orchestral because most of the instruments played in it are in orchestras, but in another sense I think of it as orchestral because I can image it being orchestrated and played by real symphony orchestras. I was listening to it recently and in my mind&#8217;s eye (or ear) I could imagine how it would sound as an orchestral piece, and I think it would remain true to the work, and still get played on the symphony orchestra circuit. Much more so than any of Oldfield&#8217;s other work (including &#8220;Music of the Spheres&#8221;). </p>
<p>The &#8220;Orchestral Tubular Bells&#8221; was awful, but the original &#8220;Tubular Bells&#8221; was full of gimmicks, so it didn&#8217;t translate well. &#8220;Incantations&#8221; doesn&#8217;t really have any of those, and is in a more &#8220;classical&#8221; form than any other Oldfield work. Hell, if symphonies will play Ive&#8217;s music, &#8220;Incantations&#8221; ought to be a shoo-in. In my opinion, if you&#8217;re willing to call &#8220;Incantations&#8221; a &#8220;classical&#8221; piece, it&#8217;s the best classical piece written in the latter 20th century.</p>
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		<title>By: Flasshe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flasshe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 04:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;But I was pleasantly surprised at how listenable the songs from his 1984 album &quot;Discovery&quot; were as they came up.&lt;/em&gt;

I like the Oldfield &quot;half pop&quot; phase, especially the &lt;em&gt;Five Miles Out - Crises - Discovery&lt;/em&gt; trilogy.   Which probably means I&#039;m not a &lt;em&gt;real&lt;/em&gt; Oldfield fan.  &quot;Taurus II&quot; on &lt;em&gt;Five Miles Out&lt;/em&gt; is my favorite Oldfield instrumental, even though it&#039;s basically just a really long instrumental version of the title track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>But I was pleasantly surprised at how listenable the songs from his 1984 album &#8220;Discovery&#8221; were as they came up.</em></p>
<p>I like the Oldfield &#8220;half pop&#8221; phase, especially the <em>Five Miles Out &#8211; Crises &#8211; Discovery</em> trilogy.   Which probably means I&#8217;m not a <em>real</em> Oldfield fan.  &#8220;Taurus II&#8221; on <em>Five Miles Out</em> is my favorite Oldfield instrumental, even though it&#8217;s basically just a really long instrumental version of the title track.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 04:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recently I was using my mp3 player to listen to &quot;all songs&quot; (in alphabetical order), with the player loaded with nearly every CD in my collection.  It brings up a lot of songs I haven&#039;t heard in a long time.

Mostly I was skipping anything longer than 5 minutes or so, which includes most Oldfield material, since the idea was to sample this and that.  But I was pleasantly surprised at how listenable the songs from his 1984 album &quot;Discovery&quot; were as they came up.

&lt;i&gt;Some find it strange to be here, on this small planet and who knows where...&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently I was using my mp3 player to listen to &#8220;all songs&#8221; (in alphabetical order), with the player loaded with nearly every CD in my collection.  It brings up a lot of songs I haven&#8217;t heard in a long time.</p>
<p>Mostly I was skipping anything longer than 5 minutes or so, which includes most Oldfield material, since the idea was to sample this and that.  But I was pleasantly surprised at how listenable the songs from his 1984 album &#8220;Discovery&#8221; were as they came up.</p>
<p><i>Some find it strange to be here, on this small planet and who knows where&#8230;</i></p>
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		<title>By: Tim W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a huge Mike Oldfield fan. &lt;i&gt;Tubular Bells&lt;/i&gt; was the first album I ever bought, I listen to the first four albums regularly to this day, and he&#039;s one of the biggest influences on my own music.

But classical music? I just can&#039;t see it. I think he&#039;s squarely in the Canterbury prog tradition (after all, he did get his start playing with Kevin Ayers), and I would relate him much more to Camel, Caravan, or Jade Warrior than to anything classical. I&#039;ve never heard any of the orchestral versions of his stuff, or the new one, but the prospect has little appeal.

The &quot;greatest composer&quot; tag came from Robin Denselow, a newspaper pop critic, rather than a &quot;respected musicologist,&quot; by the way...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a huge Mike Oldfield fan. <i>Tubular Bells</i> was the first album I ever bought, I listen to the first four albums regularly to this day, and he&#8217;s one of the biggest influences on my own music.</p>
<p>But classical music? I just can&#8217;t see it. I think he&#8217;s squarely in the Canterbury prog tradition (after all, he did get his start playing with Kevin Ayers), and I would relate him much more to Camel, Caravan, or Jade Warrior than to anything classical. I&#8217;ve never heard any of the orchestral versions of his stuff, or the new one, but the prospect has little appeal.</p>
<p>The &#8220;greatest composer&#8221; tag came from Robin Denselow, a newspaper pop critic, rather than a &#8220;respected musicologist,&#8221; by the way&#8230;</p>
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